There is no clear answer because as ATT and others change the rules then any answer given today may be wrong tomorrow. For example, some found they could pop the ATT sim into said units and later get a nasty automatic upgrade to the plan. Covers other angles. The carriers do not want smart phones with no plans and they are working hard to discover anyone that has such and IN THEIR AGREEMENTS is some clause about this. I hope this helps you understand why it's a minefield area. The moment someone finds a workaround, the carriers seem to know about it. ![]() Hi, I work for a telecom provider in Canada and do the support for these devices. Blackberry devices do not need any type of data plan in order to work. Most modern phones are designed to have two capabilities: data and voice - so they are always split into two separate functions. For Blackberry devices you can launch the 'Manage Connections' icon, select 'Mobile Network Options' and turn the data feature on or off. The 'mobile network' check box is what turns the phone's radio on/off. The radio is used to establish communication with your wireless carrier. As far as what plans your carrier has, I have no idea but the phones themselves don't need a data plan to work. One other thing. Very often with voice plans you will get a slow pay-per use data access for older web pages (called WAP pages). There is a pay-per use charge (usually per kilobyte) however most carriers let you browse their home portal page for free since it links to pay products. You can turn the data feature of the phone off in the options i mentioned above to disable this. Turning this feature off still keeps your wifi working by the way. One last point. Blackberry.com lets you download apps to your computer and install them over a USB cable to your device. So you can do full upgrades and app installations from Blackberry App World Online. So you don't need a data plan if you want to add apps to the phone. Hello again readers! Is here once again with a mailbag full of BlackBerry questions and woes. Today's question comes from Justin who asks: I know a few people who have picked up these older BBOS phones recently. Many of them have done so without changing to a BlackBerry-specific data plan with their carrier - One such person was using the SIM from his Android phone, for example, and was having trouble getting the phone to work as he believes it should. As I've got a Q10, and haven't had an active BBOS phone without a BlackBerry plan, I haven't been able to give him the answers he's looking for. What are the BBOS devices capable of doing over Wi-Fi alone, or with a generic/non-BlackBerry data plan? For example, should we still be able to use BBM, App World, and email? Are there any advanced tweaks or workarounds required to make certain features work, or any 3rd-party apps that might make up for the missing functionality? Hi Justin, Thank you for sending in this question. It is a very interesting one to say the least. ![]() Nov 28, 2009 Curve on Verizon without data plan? Please Login to. For people trying to activate a BlackBerry on. So because it means giving up their old plan. Most carriers require customers using BlackBerry smartphones on their networks to subscribe to a data plan. Depending on the carrier, this data plan may be part of. Jun 20, 2009 So my dad gave me his old blackberry to. How can I activate this Blackberry without a data plan. How do you activate a blackberry on Verizon without. Activate your prepaid. My T-Mobile Plans Phones Bring your own device Tablets and devices Deals Accessories Activate Refill. Windows, BlackBerry, and all basic. How to Activate BIS on Cell C. Blackberry Internet Service (BIS) will allow you to use Blackberry features that require Internet connectivity such as web browsing. Examples of plans you may be offered are the Blackberry Social Plan which provides access to Blackberry Messenger and social networks, and Blackberry. This is what I know based on my experience. For legacy BlackBerry devices, they do require a BlackBerry specific plan (i.e. BES or BIS) to operate correctly as it was operated through the carrier and through the BlackBerry NOC (Network Operating Center). Your friend who switched from Android and placed his SIM in an older device will find that the regular Non-BlackBerry internet service will not connect to the NOC or to the BIS plan that legacy devices require. Features may be limited as he is using a plan not meant for the device so BlackBerry specific apps such as BBM will not work. However, speaking from experience, his carrier would be able to detect that the plan he has does not match the device his SIM is in and they may switch the plan over. For example, I once loaned a BlackBerry 8310 to a friend on another network when their non-BlackBerry daily driver stopped working. Within an hour they received a text that their data plan didn't match and that they were required to switch. As a CrackBerry addict, I never gave away my older devices and have been using them on Wi-Fi only. Here is a list of features that work or do not work on Wi-Fi based on my usage for the past few years. Now please note I used my and as references for this guide. These may not work for older devices on OS 4.x or 5.x. • BBM - as it requires going through the NOC and a BlackBerry BIS carrier internet plan, it will not work on WiFi alone. • BlackBerry World - purchasing and installing apps and games will work on Wi-Fi on a legacy device as I have done so in the past with my BBID. Just make sure they have a BBID on the device is not the same one they have on their current one if they also have a BB10 one as well that is currently activated. You should continue receiving updates as well. • Email - if the carrier still supports BIS and the website for managing the account, have them login to their carrier specific website • You can locate the appropriate links to them with this • If the email accounts are added here it should continue to be pushed to your legacy device via Wi-Fi. I have been able to send and receive emails from each of the email accounts on my device. However, please note that this requires that you remember your original login when you activated your plan. If forgotten, contacting your carrier's customer support line should be able to assist you with retrieving your information. • If this is not an option, then I have been able to access email by going directly through the browser (i.e. Www.gmail.com) • Phone calls/SMS/MMS - if you have an active SIM in the device you should be able to receive and send phone calls, texts, and MMS. • 3rd Party Apps - internet dependent apps such as Twitter, Touch, Molome, SocialScope, Slacker Radio, BeWeather, Tune-In Radio etc. Should continue working. If you have any games, themes, or applications installed they should not be affected. Facebook may require access to the BlackBerry server as I found it does not work on Wi-Fi. However, I have not tried it with an active SIM that is on a non-BlackBerry plan. • Internet - You can browse the internet using Wi-Fi with no issue • BlackBerry applications - All of the built-in applications such as the calendar, media players, Docs to Go, alarm clock, Password Keeper, etc., should continue working on the device with or without a data plan. For additional information please refer to these posts. • • As you can see, the legacy devices are fairly functional without having the corresponding BlackBerry data plan. Although, the lack of BlackBerry Messenger is quite noticeable. Now I turn it over to our CrackBerry readers. Do you have any further tips, tricks, or clarifications to help Justin and his friend? Be sure to join the conversation and let us know your thoughts on the matter! See you next time! Have a question about BlackBerry etiquette? Need advice on how to cope with your BlackBerry addiction? Dear Berry has you covered and there's no question too big or problem too small. Submit any of your BlackBerry woes by email to [email protected] or on Twitter. I have the micro-sim in my bb10 phone and it is active. Obviously, I can't take the micro-sim out of my bb10 to put it in my legacy device because it requires a non micro sim. In fact it still has a SIM card in it. The legacy device works to browse internet on wi-fi. Twitter also works. Since it can't get a network signal because the SIM isn't provisioned it can't receive data (bbm), phone calls, texts. Can I have two different SIM cards activated at same time (micro on bb10, regular on legacy) without having to pay to add another line as long as no phone number is associated with it? Poetry in Motion. BBRYed: there's no such thing as an activated SIM with no number, or 2 SIMs sharing a single number. However you could get or make an adapter to let you slide your micro-SIM into your legacy device. I've done that to share a micro-SIM between my Z10 and my old Torch 9810, and have been careful and lucky so far. Avoid the cheap plastic adapters that add thickness (with a solid back): the combination will probably jam in your device and wreck it. I've been successful by using a $10 Noosy SIM -> Micro SIM cutter to cut an old legacy SIM, then I use the leftover outer part as a holder/adapter to put my active micro-SIM into my Torch. If you do this, be _really_ careful to make the assembly flat and smooth so you won't ruin the contacts in your phone when inserting or removing the combined unit. You may have to file the cut inside edges of the old SIM if the hole is too tight, to avoid the micro-SIM arching and popping up and creating hang-up points. I recommend not trying use use tape or anything that adds thickness to hold them together. If it seems to jam or get stuck, I recommend not proceeding. The other think you could do is to enable Mobile Hotspot on your Z10 (if your plan includes this), and share your connection over WiFi to your legacy BBOS device. But as others have written, not all services and apps will work fully (or at all) with no BIS or only on WiFi. I'm not sure what you mean. Essentially, if you have a legacy device you still need a bis plan. This gives a little bit more security and compressed data keeping your usage down. Bb10 phone are just the same as any other phones out there and you can use any data plan. They're just a consumer phone. The features you got with bis is now reserved for bes customers. Bis options are still available and will be for a while, legacy devices is still a very strong side of BlackBerry market. You can also request that you stay on bis, I suppose it's up to your carrier. I switch between my 9800 and z10. 02 put me back on bis so I could do this which also works fine on the z10 Posted via CB10. Hi guys, FYI I temporary put the T-Mobile sim that was in my Windows phone into my fantastic z30 (100-5 bought unlocked from GSM Nations) and everything works just fine. Eventually, I will officially 'register' the BlackBerry z30 with T-Mobile and see what they say. I also knew that BB10 did not need the special BlackBerry plan any longer. However, I also continue reading that BlackBerry is supposed to be more secure than the other smart phones. It just occurred to me that this increased security could be related to the 'balance' feature, which allows to dedicate a portion of the BlackBerry exclusively to business/work. My understanding is that those using the phone via an Enterprise account will have the Enterprise account set up in this partition. I set up the BlackBerry Balance by accident (meaning I do not remember what I did to have the option of doing so). I plan to use my z30 outside of my employer enterprise BUT I also plan to use the balance partition for my own independent small business. So, I will update this post after I 'activate' the z30 on t-Mobile and after I start using the balance partition. Could someone provide me with the info or the trend where I can find the info: how/from where can I send feedback to BlackBerry Ltd? From my BlackBerry z30 (previous most recent BB: Torch 9800). I have a question, I was going to take it to the forums but this seems like a good place to ask it. I used to have a 9900 and I got my email for three accounts. I switched over to a Q10 and can only setup my account for two of them. I had the same hosting package with the domain in question before switching phones. In the settings, I think I can't setup the outgoing mail port. In the host's FAQ, it says if I have a free account I need to input my local ISP's details in for things to work. I've come to the conclusion that BIS was my ISP before on the 9900 and that's why it's not working now. Does that make sense to anyone? If that's the case, I'll try to find a way to get my emails out. Thanks in advance. Posted via CB10. Using a BBOS device without a BIS/BES dataplan is a pain in the ass. I've tried this with a Curve 8900 (OS 5), and it was really terrible to get stuff working. Even the built-in browser didn't work. After a long and tedious search, I found out that you can restore some modiified service books to the device, over BlackBerry Desktop Software, and that enables some extra features. But all in all, I wouldn't recommend this. In stead, I'd suggest that you look for a cheap Z10 of Q5 and dump the BBOS phone. Bell Canada still requires their users to have a BlackBerry specific plan even for bb10 devices For instance, I lent my old Z10 to a friend (I now have a z30,which is absolutely incredible) They put their iPhone 4s sim into it and it would not do data I called Bell and they said she needed to switch to a BlackBerry plan. I told him that was BS, since the new bb10.blah blah Anyway he argues nope, need to switch. So, I changed the apn to bell.pda.ca And now everything works fine without changing her plan. I just hope she doesn't get any crazy charges? Can anyone confirm this one way or another? Posted via CB10. There was a recent post on the CrackBerry forums of someone with the opposite problem. They have BIS provisioned on there account and is using it on a BB10 phone. This person is unable to access certain data services except BBM. (I don't know if BBWorld, Protect, PrintToGo and other services worked). I and one other member replied thinking they may need to remove BIS from their account because the carrier may be directing ALL data to BIS which would not know what to do with Email, Web, WhatsApp, etc. BIS traffic shared a common encryption key across all subscribers. The situation for BBM remains the same for BlackBerry OS 10 users but their email is not encrypted between your smartphone and the BlackBerry NOC anymore. Basically, BIS users never had private encryption unless activated on BES Express. If you need encryption you'll need a generic data plan and a smartphone activated on BES 10. However, even hosted BES 10 does not prevent the service provider from handing over your unencrypted messages to the authorities. Posted via the BlackBerry Q5 using CB10. Interesting issue and raised many times by folks who claim BIS as an advantage that bbos devices (obviously ones utilising a fully activated cell account) have over non-BIS BB10 devices. What I am curious about, if anyone is knowledgeable enough to give a clear answer: how do BB10 handsets function with the same security (or perhaps they don't? ) given that communication data are not being funnelled through a private secure server ( which is what BIS Is after all)? Posted by the inimitable Z10 handheld system. On BB10 when the phone is not on a BES10 server the only thing that still has more security than another type of smartphone is BBM as that still uses the Blackberry NOC infrastructure. It is more secure than WhatsApp, iMessge, Kik, Snapchat, We chat etc but it is not beyond the reach of the authorities. When performing a legitimate criminal investigation the authorised can request/order that BlackBerry decrypt the messages concerned as they are all encrypted with the same single key that is known to BlackBerry. When a BB10 phone is on a BES10 server that creates an encrypted Work container on your phone alongside the usual Personal space. Inside the Work space is your work mailbox and access to your work servers such as file servers and intranets. All communications between the Work space and the outside world are encrypted over the BlackBerry NOC infrastructure using a key that is unique to your BES10 environment that even BlackBerry does not know so even they can't decrypt the data. Posted via CB10 on Z10 STL100-2 on EE, UK - Activated on BES10.2. Well that is news to me. I keep forgetting about the NOC. Thanks for that info. Overall, it seems to me that if one were to think very strictly about security, having opted for a BlackBerry and if it was one which would *not* be provisioned with BES, you would really want a legacy BlackBerry device, rather than a BB10 one, right? In view of the minority who care about such things (me included) I spy some moderate trouble ahead for BlackBerry in marketing their newer operating system. Posted by the inimitable Z10 handheld system. The NOC can be accessed via traditional BIS or BES network, or just over the internet. The difference is that on the older non-BlackBerry 10 devices, the ONLY way you could access the NOC was via a BIS or BES link. That is why BBM doesn't work over WiFi on the legacy devices the author describes. BBM works over WiFi just fine on BB10 devices because they unlinked the BIS/BES requirement to access the BlackBerry NOC. If you see the BlackBerry logo at the top right of your screen, you have an active connection to the NOC.
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